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color:#1F497D'>Some years ago I believe version 3 of the open license for
charity specifically excluded religious organizations of any kind. It simpl=
y
never donned on me that there exists churches that don’t have exempt
status. I have to wonder what this does for giving as tithes are not even t=
ax deductible.
As I have always attended a “main line” denominational church i=
ts
simply never come up in my experience, Bobby you have done a service to the
community by pointing out this issue to be considered. <o:p></o:p></span></=
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color:#1F497D'>Computek is the first vendor I have encountered that specifi=
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markets Open Charity and the assistance in setting up the open value licens=
e
for churches. I would defiantly encourage as you have complete honesty in s=
etting
up your organization with the program. Do not bend the rules or stretch the
truth its not a Christ like example. Microsoft is already being very
generous in extended the lowest price paid by the largest organization R=
20;100,000
or more licenses” to the religious communities. To be honest I want t=
o
upgrade all of the Microsoft office licenses in my church but its not in th=
e
budget due to giving drops from the economic conditions. So we are upgradin=
g 3
with software assurance licenses. This still saves us 1500 over the retail
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[mailto:ShelbyUSERS at yahoogroups.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bobby Stewart<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, January 31, 2009 12:42 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> ShelbyIT at yahoogroups.com; IT Discussion Forum;
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<b>Subject:</b> [ShelbyUSERS] RE: [ShelbyIT] Microsoft Open License for Cha=
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<p style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Point of Clarification:<br>
<br>
I have long understood that to qualify as a legitimate charity for the<br>
purposes of Microsoft's Charity Licensing program an organization must<br>
either 1) hold the status under IRS Section 501(c)(3) or 2) be a member<br>
of a parent organization holding that status. That would be true in the<br>
case of many denominations where the denominational membership confers<br>
that status to its members. Many years ago Brentwood Baptist Church<br>
attained the privileges of 501(c)(3) status in the latter method and has<br=
>
documentation from the IRS of such due to their membership in the<br>
Tennessee Baptist Convention. When I began work here and became aware of<br=
>
Microsoft's Charity Licensing program I had to provide that document to<br>
one of the vendors capable of selling Microsoft Charity Licensing<br>
product as part of an approval process to participate in the program.<br>
<br>
The post below has resulted in my beginning the research process again.<br>
While I work at Brentwood Baptist, I attend a smaller non-denominational<br=
>
church that has been reluctant to pursue 501(c)(3) status for various<br>
reasons, not the least of which is the paperwork required by the IRS. I<br>
have been told by several vendors looking to claim their business that<br>
they could enroll us in the program without the documentation that was<br>
required of Brentwood Baptist those years ago. My search has lead me to<br>
this.<br>
<br>
In a document<br>
<<a
href=3D"http://www.microsoftvolumelicensing.com/userights/Downloader.aspx?D=
ocum">http://www.microsoftvolumelicensing.com/userights/Downloader.aspx?Doc=
um</a><br>
entId=3D1679> available at Microsoft's web site describing the<br>
requirements for qualifying for Microsoft's Charity Licensing program I<br>
find in the section describing category 1 (Qualifying 501(c)(3) Public<br>
Charities) that, "To qualify under category [1], organizations... must=
<br>
meet all of the following criteria: a) Hold 501(c)(3) designation... and<br=
>
submit a 501(c)(3) determination letter from the IRS..., b) Hold Public<br>
Charity status and c) Not be listed as Non-Qualifying... in Category<br>
[4]." I'll leave you to go the link above to get the full verbiage so<=
br>
that you can get the full story.<br>
<br>
In the IRS publication Instructions for Form 1023<br>
<<a href=3D"http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i1023.pdf">http://www.irs.gov=
/pub/irs-pdf/i1023.pdf</a>>
on page one you will find<br>
the statement, "[Churches] may be considered tax exempt under 501(c)(3=
)<br>
even if they do not file form 1023." Later we find, "[Churches] m=
ay<br>
choose to file Form 1023 in order to receive a determination letter that<br=
>
recognizes their section 501(c)(3) status..." Churches that file for<b=
r>
501(c)(3) status must complete Parts I through XI of Form 1023 and<br>
Schedule A. It is stated that Form 1023 is not used for organizations<br>
(churches) that wish to claim 501(c)(3) status under a central<br>
organization (local or regional denomination). That is described in IRS<br>
Publication 557 in the section Group Exemption Letter<br>
<<a href=3D"http://www.irs.gov/publications/p557/ch01.html#d0e886">http:=
//www.irs.gov/publications/p557/ch01.html#d0e886</a>>
where it<br>
states: "If your organization is... a church... you should check with<=
br>
the central organization to see if it has been issued a group exemption<br>
letter that covers your organization." Presumably you only need acquir=
e<br>
a copy of that letter to provide as proof of qualifying status.<br>
<br>
This leaves us with the rather unsatisfying reality that to qualify for<br>
criterion "a" we must hold a copy of a central organization's gro=
up<br>
exemption letter or we must qualify independently by submitting the 1<br>
pages of Form 1023 along with Schedule A and pay a fee of $750 (for<br>
organizations with gross receipts averaging more than $10,000 annually).<br=
>
<br>
Criterion "b" is easily met as the previously referenced Instruct=
ions<br>
state, "[Churches] are classified as public charities" and criter=
ion
"c"<br>
as well because I can see no reason why a church would meet any of the<br>
criteria of "Category [4]" organizations (but I'll leave it to yo=
u to<br>
read to be certain).<br>
<br>
All this serves to say that, as much as I would like them to, unless my<br>
independent, non-denominational church decides that it is in their<br>
interest to submit to the IRS regulations required to attain 501(c)(3)<br>
status we will continue to be required to purchase Microsoft software at<br=
>
retail prices. To participate in the Microsoft Charity Licensing program<br=
>
without the status required by them of us (we churches) and to use the<br>
services of a vendor that would permit us to do so would be, at least,<br>
dishonest but, worse, an outright lie. Such does not become a follower<br>
of Jesus.<br>
<br>
Beyond perpetrating a lie we are also engaging in a practice that could<br>
have serious ramifications for our congregations. If our staffs are<br>
using software that is inappropriately licensed we are, in essence,<br>
pirating software. This practice carries potentially exorbitant fines<br>
that could break the financial back of many congregations. As stated at<br>
the Business Software Alliance <<a href=3D"http://www.bsa.org/">http://w=
ww.bsa.org/</a>>
web site, "If you<br>
make more copies of the software than the license permits, you are<br>
pirating." Since software purchased under the Microsoft Charity<br>
Licensing program presumes that the qualifications have been met, any<br>
organization that has not met them but proceeds to acquire software<br>
under the program is guilty. The document Software Piracy and the Law<br>
<<a href=3D"http://www.bsa.org/~/media/10A2E6D161594C499AC16F68C7E57A65.=
ashx">http://www.bsa.org/~/media/10A2E6D161594C499AC16F68C7E57A65.ashx</a>&=
gt;<br>
should be MANDATORY reading for the person responsible for purchasing<br>
software at a church.<br>
<br>
Thankfully, the resource mentioned in the post that started all this has<br=
>
this statement on their order form: "On first order, YOU MUST INCLUDE =
A<br>
COPY OF YOUR ORGANIZATIONS 501c3 letter from the IRS, authorizing your<br>
organization non profit status." (emphasis theirs)<br>
<br>
What are your thoughts? Are you or an organization you know<br>
participating in this program without meeting the qualifications? What<br>
will you/they do now that you know?<br>
<br>
God bless,<br>
<br>
Bobby Stewart<br>
<br>
Network Analyst<br>
<br>
Brentwood Baptist Church<br>
<br>
Brentwood, TN<br>
<br>
(615) 324-6149 office<br>
<br>
(615) 830-0012 cell<br>
<br>
From: <a href=3D"mailto:ShelbyIT%40yahoogroups.com">ShelbyIT at yahoogroups.co=
m</a>
[mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:ShelbyIT%40yahoogroups.com">ShelbyIT at yahoogroups.=
com</a>]
On<br>
Behalf Of Ryan L. Faircloth<br>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 9:30 PM<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:ShelbyIT%40yahoogroups.com">ShelbyIT at yahoogroups.com<=
/a><br>
Subject: [ShelbyIT] Microsoft Open License for Charity<br>
<br>
A few weeks ago I made a mention of charity Licenses which many churches<br=
>
qualify for but don't know about or know how to order. There are very<br>
few Authorized charity vendors in the us and unfortunately many of the<br>
site you can find via Google are not legit. I have checked out the<br>
following company and found them to be valid helpful. As an example of<br>
the savings you have available Microsoft Office Pro Plus with Software<br>
Assurance Retail is 721 using the Charity license option you can<br>
purchase this for $121<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.thepastorsplace.com/Charity_License.php">http://www.t=
hepastorsplace.com/Charity_License.php</a><br>
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